An Afternoon With Herr Proprietriness
For the last two years, I have been working almost exclusively with Free Software. The last time I decided to have a looksee at the proprietary software, it was a MIND event which focused solely on Microsoft software. I was distinctly underwhelmed during the event because the speakers seemed to carry a strong anti Open Source agenda (which was an unfortunate irony as we later saw a speaker using Python extensively in his application). In any case, I thought it was high time to see the technology Microsoft has been developing recently. So, when I saw Jeff Ooi writing about a blogger's meet showcasing Microsoft software, I thought I'd register and see what the software giant was up to.
Sembang Tech Ed 2007 was held yesterday (Sunday) at Bangkok Jazz Bar in Chulan Square. I arrived on time but apparently there was a lack of parking, so a further 20 minutes was spent hunting for parking. No matter, I arrived slightly late with high expectations and discovered that the event was starting late anyway.
Oliver Scheer (Microsoft Developer Evangelist Germany)
started off by speaking about Microsoft Silverlight. Well, actually he started off by saying "I can code, I can develop" in an Arnold Schwarzenegger voice to emphasize his developer skillz. It was bizarre enough that I had a good chuckle over that. Anyway, he went on to give a demo of a Silverlight application which can be used to book airline tickets. This demo has been online for quite some time to highlight Silverlight purty-ness, so I wasn't really impressed (on a sidenote, this very same demo was again used in the TechEd 2007 keynote today morning). Is there any other impressive application of Silverlight that Microsoft can demo besides this one?
Oliver spoke about building a media player using Microsoft Expression. Essentially, he built a "self-contained" player for a specific video by using existing controls available in Microsoft Expressions. He mentioned that this player works on FireFox but gave no details as to the licensing of the plugin. I later spoke to him and he mentioned that this plugin only works on Microsoft Windows and Mac OS X, so those on other platforms (including open source platforms)- you guys are out of luck at this point in time. Well, you can dance under some Moonlight and make sacrifices to a Novell demi-god to officially support other platforms, but at this point in time at least, you're (fortunately or otherwise) out of luck.
Oliver made a specific reference to the fact that Silverlight only supports the Windows Media Video (WMV) and Windows Media Audio (WMA) codecs. This seemed to be awfully restrictive to me, particularly when one takes into account that WMV and WMA codecs are not officially licensed for use on an Open Source platform and more shockingly, the WMV codec has software patent issues which deny independent implementation by a third party. Microsoft has actually sent a cease-and-decease letter to an open source implementation of WMV, so you can imagine how restrictive the decision is to only support WMV and WMA. Oliver later told me that Silverlight also supports MP3 (which is also patent encumbered) and WAV files (which went out of style with bell bottom pants).
What about other codecs, I inquired? Oliver seemed to be flabbergasted at the thought of somebody using non-officially-sanctioned codecs and flatly stated that "in the interest of keeping the size of the runtime small, only these few codecs are installed". I decided to push my luck and ask him about streaming new codecs to the end user. Oliver told me that this is apparently impossible.
Hmmm. Woop-tee-doo.
Oliver mentioned that 40 languages are supported in Silverlight, mentioning Python and Ruby (presumably through the IronPython and IronRuby execution environments). However, despite interest from the floor on Python/Ruby support, there was no focus on using languages other then Microsoft XAML and Microsoft C#.
Color me cynical, but I've heard more marketing speak from technology vendors then I care too comment on. A classic problem that we have traditionally seen with the Microsoft stack is simply that components and frameworks tend to only officially support other parts of the Microsoft stack and those wishing to use it on other platforms have to figure out an implementation strategy on their own. In other words, true interoperatibility works only within the Microsoft stack: a definition that is oxymoronic in itself.
My impression of Silverlight is that it seems to be a souped up Flash player with a focus on building web applications. That in itself is fine, but as an observer from the floor noted, Flash is signficantly more mature at this point in time and is increasingly being used in the area of rich Internet applications. From that perspective, there is little new groundbreaking technology that Silverlight contributes at this point in time.
Next up, Rohan Thomas, a developer evangelist from Microsoft Malaysia, spoke on Microsoft Popfly. I had difficulty following his presentation because I had no idea what Microsoft Popfly was and only realized towards the end of Rohan's presentation that it is a hosted service by Microsoft to create mashups using Microsoft Silverlight. He showed how Microsoft Popfly supports drag and drop mashup creation and cooly informed us bloggers that the difference between Flash and Silverlight is that Silverlight renders on the client side. Whaaaaat ???
Ok, maybe the free flowing alcohol was getting to presenters too (quite understandable, if I may say so myself). Despite this gaffe, Rohan went on to show how webpages could be created through Popfly, which didn't work out too well because the Save button was hidden lower down in the page and the website didn't have scrollbar. Maybe the developers of Popfly were also enjoying free flowing alcohol in Redmond when designing this application? I didn't see anything particularly special about the webpage creator other then fancy look and feel.
In any case, I was getting mighty bored at this point in time and was contemplating leaving. I mean, mashups are cool and all but it's not exactly the next iPod, is it? Somebody in the audience had the same thought and pointed out that Yahoo Tubes and Google Mashups provide similar tools and asked why Microsoft's version was better. It was a fair comment, in my opinion. I mean, why use Popfly when there are great tools out there already, right? What separates Popfly from the rest?
Rohan answered that Popfly has Team Foundation Server running ("ooooooh"), that it's updated every two weeks ("aaaahhhhhh") and that Team Foundation Server is still in alpha and Popfly users are effectively alpha-testing it ("WTF?!!"). In other words, Rohan is saying that we should be using Popfly over Y! Tubes and Google Mashup only because Microsoft needs to be provided with free feedback on their alpha software? If this was an open source project, I'd have more sympathy to Rohan's answer but considering Popfly is as proprietary and closed as a pyloric sphincter is, I failed to see the reasoning behind Rohan's answer.
Chewy "Chewbacca" Chong (Microsoft Developer Evangelist Singapore) jumped in later and said that Popfly helped fuel much of the development in Y! Tubes and Google Mashups. Whether this is true or not is completely irrelevant. In an open industry, competition drives innovation. Just as Yahoo and Google's mashup tools forced Microsoft to enter this area, Microsoft's subsequent involvement certainly would have helped improve the general state of the mashups. That it inself is an indication of an innovative economy, not a sign of any benevolence on Microsoft's part. More directly to the point, however, is that this is certainly no reason for end users to use Popfly over Y! Tubes. Nobody from Microsoft really did satisfactorily provide an answer to why users should use Popfly over Yahoo's and Google's existing tools.
The second last presentation was by Chewy on Microsoft Home Server. His presentation focused on how easy it was to use Microsoft Home Server to control and backup machines within a home LAN. The technology itself, as Chewy admits, is not new. What Microsoft has done is to put a GUI front end to manage all the systems within the LAN. I think for those who are solely on a Microsoft Windows platform, the technology can possibly prove itself useful (if it works as advertised).
But what about the rest of us? Pffft. There is nonexistent support for non-Microsoft platforms so those on a Mac or Linux or even FreeBSD are out of luck (in my case, that counts as a triple whammy). The second problem I saw was that Chewy kept pimping the software as easy enough for his Mom to use. I'm not sure if his Mom works as a system administrator but from what I say, it's definitely not easy enough for the layperson. A closet geek maybe, but definitely not a layperson. To a real technologist, there was little being offered that could be appreciated because most of the functionality already exist in other forms. So, thanks Chewy, but I'll stick to my shell scripts and Samba mounts for now.
The final presentation was by Zeddy Iskandar (Academic Developer Evangelist, Microsoft Indonesia). Zeddy certainly had something impressive to demo: Microsoft Robotics Studio. Well, it was impressive to me anyways since I'm a true-blue geek with an electronics engineering background. I enjoyed the idea that one could program and build a robot and have it run within a virtual environment with true physics. Very cool, but unfortunately fully proprietary, which means one cannot contribute to its development and have the freedom to extend it where needed. It's strange the Robotics Studio would be proprietary when one would assume that the freedom to adapt the code to one's need would be a killer feature for the product. Hmm, I wonder if Open Source equivalents exist. Btw, Zeddy, if you're reading this - your sample code did not work in stopping the robot because you failed to explicitly include zeroing out movement in your final output.
That was that with the presentations. During the Q&A, a member from the floor asked about possible free tickets to TechEd 2007. A representative from Microsoft Malaysia (whose name I failed to capture) curtly informed those present that Microsoft, as a principle, does not offer complementary tickets to its business partners. Now, this is fair enough, except that its completely untrue. I know for a fact that several complementary tickets were offered for TechEd2007 to some companies. This answer (and the curt tone itself) turned me off quite a bit.
Anyway, there you go. That's what I saw and experienced. Microsoft certainly makes for a great host (food and free flowing beer!) but I had seriously expected more from the technology presented and from the quality of presentations. Perhaps I've been spoiled by Open Source events, where one listens to the actual developers and it is easily possible to get into the thick of things, ie to become a participant instead of a customer.
This is the stark difference I noticed between Open Source events and Microsoft events. The former is almost always informal, acceptive and has substantial technical details presented for all and sundry to learn from (and contribute). The latter seems to be "Hey, this is the latest version of a Microsoft product which has X,Y,Z features and sells at RM $$$". In other words, Microsoft events are geared towards making its audience Microsoft customers (as Chewy starkly admitted: "I've got a convert!") and Open Source events are geared towards making everybody a participant in improving the software for the common good of all. The long and short is, if what I saw was the best Microsoft had to offer today, one could certainly be forgiven for thinking that the greatest innovations are now coming from outside the land of Redmond.
My second observation is: where are the Microsoft hackers? You know ... the Raymond Chen's of the world. Where are they? I'm quite sure they exist but I've not met a single one, not even at today's at TechED conference.
When I was in FOSDEM this year, we had presentations directly from folk like HD Moore (security), Miguel de Icaza (GNOME, .NET etc), Andrew Morton (Linux kernel hacking), Jeremy Allison (Samba), Keith Packard (X.org) and many more. At AsiaOSS in Kuala Lumpur last year, we had Yukihiro Matsumoto of Ruby fame presenting. At FOSS.in last year, we had Malaysia's very own JayaKumar (who has contributed drivers to the Linux kernel), Rasmus Lerdorf (PHP founder) and many others presenting. I distinctly remember my first international Open Source conference, LinuxConf Australia 2005 where Tridge (of Samba fame) presented. Tridge delved deep into the CIFS technology itself and it was an incredible rush listening to him explain the design decisions made in Samba 4.
So, why are the equivalent Microsoft hackers sequestered away? All we have been meeting are developer evangelists who end up giving the same tired demos we have seen online. Hearing from the real developers themselves really makes all the difference in the world.
Anyway, I'm tired. The night is nigh, and it's a good time to end this extremely long blog post. Upon spending some time grokking the reflection of the glass of amber liquid sitting in front of me now, I believe this blog post probably wins the most number of times the word "mashups" has been written ever in the history of OpenMalaysiaBlog. Urgh., I am indeed feeling sick now.
ps: A note to Chewy: Prime numbers actually start from 2, not 1 :)
Nice write-up. It would have been fun to bump into you yesterday.
yc
Posted by: Yuen-Chi Lian | Tuesday, 11 September 2007 at 12:54 AM
Hi,
I work for the Popfly team at Microsoft. I'm not sure what was said so apologies up front if there was a communication mix-up.
The best way to check out Popfly would be to sign up for an invite on the site (or send me your email address and I'll send you one). You can also check out our tutorial and video at http://www.popfly.ms/Overview/ . There are also videos on on10.net and techcrunch which should give you a taste of what the mashup creator can do (as opposed to just creating webpages).
Regarding the 'open source' bit, though we're not open source in the classical sense, you can view and 'rip' the source code for any mashup or block that you see on Popfly. So in that sense, most of the stuff you see in your browser has public viewable source which we're encouraging people to take and modify (the 'rip' feature).
Instead of someone from Microsoft trying to 'convince' you to use Popfly, I'm hoping the videos and your playing with our site should sell you by themselves.
I would love to answer any questions you have or listen to feedback and suggestions. My mail id is sriramk [at] microsoft.com.
I have heard a lot of things about my team but 'free flowing alcohol when designing Popfly' is definitely a first. I only wish it were true! :-)
Posted by: Sriram Krishnan (Popfly) | Tuesday, 11 September 2007 at 06:58 AM
yc,
great to hear from you :) do you know of any other bloggers penning their thots about the meet?
sriram,
it's wonderful that the popfly team is receptive to feedback.
does popfly run well on moonlight?
Posted by: Ditesh Kumar | Tuesday, 11 September 2007 at 11:44 AM
I had a very brief one on how well the solutions are packaged and ready, for marketing or whatever purpose it is.
Google blog-search gives me a handful list of results anyway.
Oh yea, I have a few mates who got really bored of the presentations. It's either the general bloggers should not be the target audience or some contents were too technical -- e.g. the robotics studio.
yc
Posted by: Yuen-Chi Lian | Tuesday, 11 September 2007 at 01:53 PM
Thanks - I still urge you to try out Popfly. :-)
I have to admit that I don't know how well it works on Moonlight today. When I met Miguel a few weeks ago, there was still some work that needed to be done to get it working (on the laptop we were looking at anyway). Of course, everything other than the mashup editor (the social networking features, the webpage editor, etc) should work just fine on Firefox as it is just plain Ajax code (and we test on Firefox on multiple operating systems).
I'm sure the Moonlight guys have made progress since then so it is something for me to go check on.
Posted by: Sriram Krishnan (Popfly) | Tuesday, 11 September 2007 at 05:04 PM
TechEd is just another "sales fest" in the traditional sense. It is there to sell sell sell. And the only product available is MS stuff, may be some "approved" related MS stuff and nothing else.
Yes, I also get annoyed when the presenters cannot clearly quantify the advantage of its product w.r.t. the competition, get the competition facts wrong (and would not admit it).
Even more when the presenter thinks that it is aloft.
One of the worst one I had seen is the Matlab "seminar" routinely organized by Mathworks UK. In that seminar, they talk about Matlab add-ons not Matlab itself, leading to one fellow participant, who don't know about Matlab, commented in private when I ask him what do he thinks about matlab to say that from the presentation, Matlab itself is useless without those add-ons and he do not see why he should fork out money for Matlab as the glue for Matlab add-ons. Ooouch! Its painful because Matlab's add-ons are really really expensive. Not to mention they spend money but alienated a potential customer big time.
Posted by: Wu MingShi | Wednesday, 12 September 2007 at 09:21 PM
Ditesh,
There was a good session on IronRuby by William Tay on one of the architectural tracks on Wednesday. Were you there ?
The tite of the track is a bit misleading though - Future Trends: Architectures, Frameworks and Languages
Posted by: Ibrhim | Thursday, 13 September 2007 at 06:36 PM
Hi Ibrhim,
No, I wasn't there simply because I did not know the session would be on IronRuby.
Any blog postings on your impression of the session?
Posted by: Ditesh Kumar | Saturday, 15 September 2007 at 07:05 PM
Well, it was actually a talk about future trends on architectures, frameworks and languages. Ruby on Rails was covered, as was castle. He got carried away and started talking about IronRuby. I thought it was a good eye-opening session.
Posted by: Ibrahim | Saturday, 15 September 2007 at 08:32 PM
Well, my suggestion to TechEd event organizers would be to explicitly mark sessions which may deal with Open Source technology on their programme. That way, the growing crowd wanting to work with Microsoft technology on an Open Source will know which sessions to attend!
Posted by: Ditesh Kumar | Monday, 17 September 2007 at 11:31 PM
I missed out that event. I was told it was really an interesting meet up for the bloggers in KL.
Posted by: Steven Wong | Friday, 19 October 2007 at 02:53 PM