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Simon

When you buy a computer with pre-installed Windows Vista and you boot it for the first time, you get to an initial screen that asks you whether you want to accept the MS EULA or not. Ironically, there is no option to refuse or shutdown the computer.

Somewhere in the EULA, it mentions that you can choose not to accept the license, and you can ask a refund from the manufacturer or Microsoft.

When you call either Microsoft or the manufacturer (a reputable one in my case), they have no clue whatsoever about these "refunds". The issue is to persist through the stonewalling.

I am on day #12 now, with Lenovo.

kaeru

Also be aware that in Malaysia at least there are small claims courts for disputes of small amounts such as this. They will have to answer if you take time to file a claim. More info http://www.lawyerment.com.my/library/doc/litg/smcl/

yoonkit

Simon,

Do update us if or when you get your money back. Good Luck.

Kaeru,

Although disputing via small claims may work, I would like it as easy for consumers to either opt-in or out when it comes to their OS of choice.

yk.

Ditesh Gathani

I've sent in an "Aduan" (complaint) also. The more people that do this, the better.

Yuen-Chi Lian

I have filed mine too.

I just can't believe they offer packages that come with an insecure operating system, Internet browser, etc.

yc

Ruhaizad

I have sent mine too...

Donald

i read somewhere that Lenovo sells Thinkpads with Linux on it in Europe and it actually costs MORE than a Thinkpad with Windows because MS actually pays them to have Vista pre-installed along with a trial version of Office. the logic being that many users will use the trial version and eventually buy the license after the 90 day trial. what if Dell does the same and we actually start paying MORE for laptops/desktops without Windows?

Simon

Donald,

No, Lenovo does not sell laptops with Linux in Europe (at least in the major markets).

Regarding MSOffice, the common case is to bundle MSWorks, the cut-down version of MSOffice. The laptop manufacturer pays for MSWorks, and the expense reaches the consumer.

What looks to be the case is that Microsoft entices manufacturers to enter a special deal for low prices of XP/Vista licenses, which at the same time limits the options for the manufacturer.
What the deals says in detail would be interesting to find out. For example, does it demand the manufacturer to impose artificially higher prices for laptops without Windows software?

Demanding the refund will help manufacturers enter in a more efficient deal with Microsoft.

References:
http://macslow.thepimp.net/?p=148
http://thealternative.ch/tiki-index.php?page=Software-Refund-en

kaeru

Just put in my complaint to Think Products (Malaysia) Sdn. Bhd. No price tag quite appropriate. They put in an optional and expensive Vista Business Edition (RM445) without listing the price.

kaeru

Further to my last comment, optional here as in I could use Linux. They still force me to buy Vista.

autoverzekeringen

I strongly agree to the fact that we should be more sophisticated now to realise that an unpaid copy of an application may not be pirated. It may be totally legitimate as a licensed free and open source software.Thanks for the information.

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What looks to be the case is that Microsoft entices manufacturers to enter a special deal for low prices of XP/Vista licenses, which at the same time limits the options for the manufacturer.

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Ironically, there is no option to refuse or shutdown the computer, it mentions that you can choose not to accept the license, and you can ask a refund from the manufacturer or Microsoft.

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